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New Star Trek V'ger by JayPrower New Star Trek V'ger by JayPrower
Hey, with the way the new movie went, this could still happen ^^;

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general-sci Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Now, if we dilute these two films together (Fantastic story from TMP with the pacing of 2009) THAT would be an epic movie! I'm hoping that the third installment will calm down at least a little bit...
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Scifimaster92 Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014
It wouldn't work. A cosmic, metaphysical story about an artificial intelligence searching for its place in the universe simply cannot be told in a film where the pacing is so frantic that the audience has no time to think (since, in the case of the Abrams films, if they were given time to do so, they would realize that the stories make no sense).
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general-sci Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"It wouldn't work."

Says you. The Matrix (first one, not it's sequels) showed how a film could have an engaging story while supplying a few thrills.

If you decide to twist that previous sentence into thinking that Star Trek should involve martial arts, I'm going to face desk.
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Scifimaster92 Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014
Here's the difference, though - in The Matrix, the action scenes were intercut with slower-paced moments (such as most of the Oracle's scenes) in order to give the audience time to think. Moreover, the writers were actually willing to integrate these ideas into the storyline and assumed that their audience was intelligent enough to understand what they were talking about. None of this is true with the Abrams films - the pacing is rapid even when it should be slower (such as during Kirk's death scene in Into Darkness) and the writers are unwilling to introduce any sort of deep thought into the script since they believe that the audience is too stupid to handle it.
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general-sci Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"they believe that the audience is too stupid to handle it."

When it comes to Robert Orci, yes I agree whole-heartedly. I don't necessarily think there's a problem with Abrams or a similar director at the helm though. With that said...

My original comment on the subject matter is that it would be nice to have a movie that's deep like TMP, and exciting like 2009 Trek (I do count it as a good film, certainly better than 'Generations' but doesn't touch the likes of 'Wrath of Khan' or 'The Voyage Home'). Let's not forget that TMP nickname is 'the slow motion picture'. It seems like Trek (the films, not the series) never knows how to hit that sweet spot that they regularly hit when limited to a 50-minute script. TOS episode 'Nomad' essentially hit all of the marks that TMP did in a concise way. TNG's 'Yesterday's Enterprise' did a lot of the things that 2009 Trek did in a thoughtful way.

That's the enthusiasm I was attempting to express with my original comment.
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Scifimaster92 Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014
Actually, Abrams thinks that way too. He has repeatedly shown that despite being a sci-fi fan, he does not hold the community as a whole in high regard, instead believing them to be little more than brainless masses that he must pander to in the blatant manner possible. In addition, he has a bad habit of not planning his TV series' myth arcs ahead of time, and instead has his writers make up the story as they go, which often results in them throwing around random plot twists for no reason. This clearly indicates that he does not respect his audience's intelligence any more than Orci.
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general-sci Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, aren't we happy he's not doing the third movie then?

None the less, while we're not assassinating some one's character just because there are those that don't care for his style, can we not agree that it would have been nice if TMP wasn't essentially a music demo for the late but great Jerry Goldsmith? Because, despite my enjoyment of the Trek films overall (TWOk followed by First Contact for me), I can't say any of the films have had the right balance of appeal.
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Scifimaster92 Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2014
Unfortunately for you, I actually enjoyed ST:TMP. I thought it was beautiful, serene, and thought-provoking, not unlike 2001: A Space Odyssey. I would honestly prefer that to a Michael Bay-style action film that panders to the lowest common denominator.
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Phat-Force Featured By Owner May 24, 2009
I'd like to paste that ship into all the exterior shots in TOS. But still be able to toggle back.
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CaptainBarringer Featured By Owner May 11, 2009
cool
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